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	<title>Comments on: On The Search for Gay Obituaries: Arthur C. Clarke (The Times Version)</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 05:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can understand the sentiment behind this post.  A number of years ago, my sister and I had a conversation in which she was quite offended that I claimed that Liberace was gay.  &quot;But he testified in court that he wasn&#039;t!&quot; she protested.

Nowadays, I would hope that would be less of a problem, but it appears we&#039;re still at the stage where stating that a certain public figure is LGB is considered a gross insult, rather than a statement.  If Ralph Lauren was as in the closet about his Jewish origins as Clarke, et al., were/are about their sexualities, would it be considered beyond the pale to bring it up?  The cartoonist who created &quot;Krazy Kat&quot; would never appear in public or be photographed without his hat on, lest people see his hair and realize that he was - gasp! - part Black.  If someone had brought this up after his death, no doubt well-meaning people would complain that some spoilsport was maligning a great artists&#039;s memory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand the sentiment behind this post.  A number of years ago, my sister and I had a conversation in which she was quite offended that I claimed that Liberace was gay.  &#8220;But he testified in court that he wasn&#8217;t!&#8221; she protested.</p>
<p>Nowadays, I would hope that would be less of a problem, but it appears we&#8217;re still at the stage where stating that a certain public figure is LGB is considered a gross insult, rather than a statement.  If Ralph Lauren was as in the closet about his Jewish origins as Clarke, et al., were/are about their sexualities, would it be considered beyond the pale to bring it up?  The cartoonist who created &#8220;Krazy Kat&#8221; would never appear in public or be photographed without his hat on, lest people see his hair and realize that he was &#8211; gasp! &#8211; part Black.  If someone had brought this up after his death, no doubt well-meaning people would complain that some spoilsport was maligning a great artists&#8217;s memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody Deanne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jody Deanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol, Ellen is so crazy! I love her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, Ellen is so crazy! I love her.</p>
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		<title>By: Straight But Not Narrow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Straight But Not Narrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your citation of Clarke&#039;s Law #4 is simply not true. In the 1999 revision of &quot;Profiles of the Future&quot;, Clarke added this Law to the first three: &quot;For every expert there is an equal and opposite expert.&quot; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws) What&#039;s the  source for your citation?

I understand your anger at the closeted; I&#039;ve had a number of gay and lesbian acquaintances who have felt the same way. Safety in numbers, perhaps? (I speculate) But the fact of the matter is it&#039;s a personal choice that each individual has to make, and outing will cause nothing but resentment and divisiveness. Armistead Maupin has written about the turmoil he went when he struggled with the decision to come out to his parents. If a 15-year old openly gay student can be murdered in 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_%22Larry%22_King), hesitation is understandable. On another subject, as a Boston psychiatrist wrote in an op-ed piece a few years ago, she had to keep reminding herself that in treating her patients, &quot;My experience is not theirs.&quot;

Instead of &quot;bashing the closeted&quot; (so to speak), might I modestly suggest celebrating those who are or were openly LGBT? Off the top of my head I can think of many: Gerry Studds and Barney Frank in American politics; musicians Billy Strayhorn, Cecil Taylor, John Cage, Samuel Barber, John Corigliano, Melissa Etheridge and Morrissey; writers Tennessee Williams, Paul Bowles, Gore Vidal, Clive Barker, William S. Burroughs, Herman Melville, Samuel R. Delaney, Walt Whitman, Allen Ginsberg, and the aforementioned Armistead Maupin; actors Sir John Gielgud, Sir Ian McKellan, Rupert Everett, Drew Barrymore, John Glover, Dirk Bogarde and Graham Chapman; and of course, Ellen Degeneres.

Otherwise, I found this a fascinating write-up on Sir Arthur Clarke. Thank you.

P.S. Is there any way you can remove the post by the troll called &quot;Nathan&quot;? As a straight man who has and has had LGB friends, I find it egregiously offensive.

All the best,
Steve O&#039;Rourke (Real name; if I were truly courageous, I&#039;d include my geographical location. But I&#039;m not.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your citation of Clarke&#8217;s Law #4 is simply not true. In the 1999 revision of &#8220;Profiles of the Future&#8221;, Clarke added this Law to the first three: &#8220;For every expert there is an equal and opposite expert.&#8221; (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws</a>) What&#8217;s the  source for your citation?</p>
<p>I understand your anger at the closeted; I&#8217;ve had a number of gay and lesbian acquaintances who have felt the same way. Safety in numbers, perhaps? (I speculate) But the fact of the matter is it&#8217;s a personal choice that each individual has to make, and outing will cause nothing but resentment and divisiveness. Armistead Maupin has written about the turmoil he went when he struggled with the decision to come out to his parents. If a 15-year old openly gay student can be murdered in 2008 (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_%22Larry%22_King" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_%22Larry%22_King</a>), hesitation is understandable. On another subject, as a Boston psychiatrist wrote in an op-ed piece a few years ago, she had to keep reminding herself that in treating her patients, &#8220;My experience is not theirs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead of &#8220;bashing the closeted&#8221; (so to speak), might I modestly suggest celebrating those who are or were openly LGBT? Off the top of my head I can think of many: Gerry Studds and Barney Frank in American politics; musicians Billy Strayhorn, Cecil Taylor, John Cage, Samuel Barber, John Corigliano, Melissa Etheridge and Morrissey; writers Tennessee Williams, Paul Bowles, Gore Vidal, Clive Barker, William S. Burroughs, Herman Melville, Samuel R. Delaney, Walt Whitman, Allen Ginsberg, and the aforementioned Armistead Maupin; actors Sir John Gielgud, Sir Ian McKellan, Rupert Everett, Drew Barrymore, John Glover, Dirk Bogarde and Graham Chapman; and of course, Ellen Degeneres.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I found this a fascinating write-up on Sir Arthur Clarke. Thank you.</p>
<p>P.S. Is there any way you can remove the post by the troll called &#8220;Nathan&#8221;? As a straight man who has and has had LGB friends, I find it egregiously offensive.</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Steve O&#8217;Rourke (Real name; if I were truly courageous, I&#8217;d include my geographical location. But I&#8217;m not.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 05:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ARTHUR C CLARKE LURVED DICKS WUT A FAGPOLE, AMIRITE?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARTHUR C CLARKE LURVED DICKS WUT A FAGPOLE, AMIRITE?</p>
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		<title>By: strangeinterlude</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[strangeinterlude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arthur C. Clarke was brilliant, his prose lyrical and inspiring.  His sexuality or lack of it remains his own business for eternity.  Trying to use this great man&#039;s obituary to piggyback your own agenda is abominable.

They are like children, clambering over the ruins of fallen giants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur C. Clarke was brilliant, his prose lyrical and inspiring.  His sexuality or lack of it remains his own business for eternity.  Trying to use this great man&#8217;s obituary to piggyback your own agenda is abominable.</p>
<p>They are like children, clambering over the ruins of fallen giants.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
		<link>http://thegayrecluse.com/2008/03/18/on-the-search-for-gay-obituaries-arthur-c-clarke-the-times-version/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 12:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[interesting response]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting response</p>
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		<title>By: Antología de bodrios (XII): Una nota necrológica &#171; Pseudópodo</title>
		<link>http://thegayrecluse.com/2008/03/18/on-the-search-for-gay-obituaries-arthur-c-clarke-the-times-version/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antología de bodrios (XII): Una nota necrológica &#171; Pseudópodo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Puedo pasar por alto que Ekanayake &#8220;muriera en un accidente de buceo&#8221; (fue de moto). Puedo admitir que se destaque la tontería de &#8220;la religión como virus de la mente&#8221;. Puedo disculpar que saquen a Clake del armario postmortem (cuando él nunca lo hizo en vida, y así lo han respetado todos los medios). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Puedo pasar por alto que Ekanayake &#8220;muriera en un accidente de buceo&#8221; (fue de moto). Puedo admitir que se destaque la tontería de &#8220;la religión como virus de la mente&#8221;. Puedo disculpar que saquen a Clake del armario postmortem (cuando él nunca lo hizo en vida, y así lo han respetado todos los medios). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You sir, are doing a great diservice to a man who&#039;s legacy stretches far beyond his sexuality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sir, are doing a great diservice to a man who&#8217;s legacy stretches far beyond his sexuality.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gay Recluse</title>
		<link>http://thegayrecluse.com/2008/03/18/on-the-search-for-gay-obituaries-arthur-c-clarke-the-times-version/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Gay Recluse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, everyone, thanks for the comments! How about we all step outside now and check out some hot gay statues in Madrid?  

http://thegayrecluse.com/2008/03/17/on-hot-gay-statues-madrid-shames-most-of-the-united-states-good-thing-theyre-not-eligible/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, everyone, thanks for the comments! How about we all step outside now and check out some hot gay statues in Madrid?  </p>
<p><a href="http://thegayrecluse.com/2008/03/17/on-hot-gay-statues-madrid-shames-most-of-the-united-states-good-thing-theyre-not-eligible/" rel="nofollow">http://thegayrecluse.com/2008/03/17/on-hot-gay-statues-madrid-shames-most-of-the-united-states-good-thing-theyre-not-eligible/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex Paige</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Paige]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed, I find it remarkable that no mainstream media outlets appear to have picked up on it (either at the time or now) -- despite a lot of searching I can&#039;t find the post in question. However I definitely did not imagine it ...! It seems to be one of those things that has simply escaped the net and the fact that Clarke&#039;s website is offline is not helping matters. 
It is true he was not out for most of his life, and in the post in question I recollect he expressed some regret about this but alluded to the fact that (as many respondents above have also mentioned) it was a different society with different levels of tolerance back then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, I find it remarkable that no mainstream media outlets appear to have picked up on it (either at the time or now) &#8212; despite a lot of searching I can&#8217;t find the post in question. However I definitely did not imagine it &#8230;! It seems to be one of those things that has simply escaped the net and the fact that Clarke&#8217;s website is offline is not helping matters.<br />
It is true he was not out for most of his life, and in the post in question I recollect he expressed some regret about this but alluded to the fact that (as many respondents above have also mentioned) it was a different society with different levels of tolerance back then.</p>
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